Wednesday, June 30, 2010

"Take Harry Reid OUT?" Oh, she really didn't mean it THAT way...

OK, this dolt quickly had to walk back her "take Harry Reid out" allusions during her June 29th "Face to Face" TV interview with Jon Ralston. But, he never got to press her further and more dispositively on her precise intent for previously repeatedly using the phrase "Second Amendment remedies."
“You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that second amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact, Thomas Jefferson said it’s good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.” “I hope that’s not where we’re going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, ‘my goodness what can we do to turn this country around?’ I’ll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out.” - radio talk show interview with Lars Larsen
“The nation is arming,” she said. “What are they arming for if it isn’t that they are so distrustful of their government? They’re afraid they’ll have to fight for their liberty in more Second Amendment kinds of ways. That’s why I look at this as almost an imperative. If we don’t win at the ballot box, what will be the next step?” - interview with the Reno Gazette-Journal

We pretty much know what she intended (to the extent she can charitably be said to exude any cognitive/intentional clarity whatsoever). It was most plausibly simply dog-whistle nutcase-baiting intended to pry open the wallets of her obtuse hick Walter Mitty Militia wannabee demographic.

Absent that, it's essentially a call to armed sedition.

Above, the now-arrested buffoon contingent Michigan Hutaree Militia. I got news for all you delusional Manly-Legends-In-Your-Own-Minds militia clowns. Were any of you to actually initiate armed action against the government, you'd all be dead before sundown. Below, one of these Hutaree Heroes on "maneuvers" in the Michigan woods. Gotta love the lit cigarette. Can you say "heat-seeking predator drone air-to-surface missile"?


So, which is it, truly, Ms. Angle? Mere political dog whistling, or a call to armed violence against society?

The trouble with nutcase-nurturing is that some of them take it seriously and literally. Let us ruminate briefly on some notable Second Amendment Remediators:
  • John Wilkes Booth
  • Lee Harvey Oswald
  • Sirhan Sirhan
  • James Earl Ray
  • Timothy McVeigh
More to come. The epistemological evisceration of this bizarre hinterlands coffee-klatch rube is the Socratic equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel (apologies for the tangential allusion to firearms -- I didn't mean it that way).


Well, after she won the primary, her handlers hastily scrubbed her website.

Too late. It's been captured by multiple parties. Took me all of a couple of minutes to find and download the stuff into a PDF file. I'm fixin' to take you through a "greatest hits" tour shortly. Stay tuned. It's gonna take a while, given the barrel full of scaly, stinky (and sometimes just laughable) canards, and the fact that I now have a putatively non-existent government-created job, one that pays way more than my unemployment check that had ostensibly spoiled me into intractable "spoilage."

UPDATE: The Reid campaign has saved all of us the trouble. They too captured her original website, and have reposted it here:


OK, a month to go until the election. Detailed policy questions still in need of clarification, many of them stemming directly from the words posted on her original website:
"Assemblywoman, your original website stated that 'Social Security and its attendant Medicare are broken and bankrupt systems because we, as voting citizens, have allowed congress to transform these systems from insurance programs to and [sic] entitlement programs.'

"So, are you saying we shouldn't be permitted to vote? Moreover, are you not aware of the fact that these programs were in fact legislated to be both social safety net 'insurance' and 'entitlements,' the latter in light of the fact that once a worker has paid into the system in a lawfully sufficient amount and has reached the age of eligibility, that person is entitled to the stipulated benefits, without any requirement of 'means-testing'? Does this concept escape you and your BLM federal retiree pensioner husband? Do you yourself feel 'entitled' to the health care you receive as a covered spouse under your husband's retirement benefits?"

"Assemblywoman, your original website stated that 'Doctors and hospitals must receive timely payments and emergency rooms can no longer serve as primary care facilities for the uninsured.'"

"OK. Does it surprise you to learn that President Obama would agree with that, and that such goals are central to what you and others derisively call 'Obamacare'"?

Assemblywoman, your original website stated that ' Defunding ObamaCare is essential to the economic survival of the United States.'"

"OK, let's see... Doctors and hospitals must receive timely payments (from whom unspecified), and the E.R. cannot continue to serve as the primary care facility for the uninsured (no argument there from Obama himself). Would you care to clarify for us just where the uninsured will get health care?"

"Additionally, Assemblywoman, are you unaware that the status quo and inexorable trend of U.S. health care expenditures are viewed by a breadth of actual experts in the field to pose a proximate threat '
to the economic survival of the United States'? Hence, the effort -- problematic as it may have turned out -- to develop a more rational and effective system?"

"Assemblywoman, you lambasted Senator Reid over his efforts on behalf of the MGM City Center rescue project, on the grounds that it was part of the Obama "Stimulus" legislation you so vigorously oppose -- when it was NOT, it was comprised entirely of private bank loans."

"Assemblywoman, is THIS the level of basic factual state-level unawareness Nevada citizens deserve from their senator? Would you please clarify?"

"Assemblywoman, you are on record as opposing gay marriage, and have also advocated outlawing adoption of children by gay people. Now, with respect to the latter point,

[1] since the only rational public interest in and rationale for prohibiting adoption is that of documented elevated risk to the child, would you care to cite for us the scientific evidence of such risk? And, relatedly,

[2] would you also necessarily, then, propose [a] forcibly removing to state foster custody children already adopted by gays and lesbians, and [b] passing laws forbidding gays and lesbians to even procreate in the first place to produce biological children not even in need of adoption?"

"Assemblywoman, you
now claim you merely want to 'save' Social Security by returning to Al Gore's 'Lockbox' the $2.5 trillion worth of 'worthless government IOUs' now held in the Trust Fund -- Senator Reid, of course, having personally absconded with the actual cash -- while also cutting every tax in sight. Your proposal to eliminate the IRS, DOE, EPA, and Education Dept, would net you $100.7 billion of the money, or 4% of the way to your Lockbox goal (assuming you would put all of it into the Lockbox)."

Would you care to explain to the public from just WHERE you intend to get the other 96%?"

"Assemblywoman, you also claim that you cannot find anywhere in our Constitution where
'the federal government has the authority to be involved in our Medicare.'"

"Now, Constitutional Law Authority that you surely are, would you not also then agree that the U.S. Air Force, established by the National Security Act of 1947, is also 'unconstitutional,' since the Constitution only expressly authorizes an army and navy?"

"More broadly, would you simply agree that what counts as 'unconstitutional' to you is ANY law or SCOTUS decision with which you disagree, Constitutional Law Authority that you undeniably are?"

"Assemblywoman, you evaded the direct question regarding whether a minor female impregnated via rape by her father should be forced to bear the offspring of the crime, choosing to instead talk vaguely about how -- devout Christian you claim to be -- you'd counseled other teenagers facing 'difficult pregnancies' to 'make lemonade' out of their predicaments. Is it, then, your position as a secular legal matter, that the ovum fertilized by an act of incestual rape is a 'person' whose 'constitutional rights' trump those of the rape victim (4th and 14th Amendments notwithstanding)?"

"Assemblywoman, more broadly, you and people like you always talk about how
'life begins at conception.' Do you specifically mean that constitutional 'personhood' begins at that exact instant? (Hint: even arch-conservative SCOTUS Justice Antonin Scalia disagrees) And, if so, as a practical matter, how do you propose to enforce those rights? By perhaps making every pregnant female a ward of the jurisdiction of Child Protective Services agencies from conception to birth?"

"Would you care to clarify?"

"Assemblywoman, you have claimed that the separation of church and state is "unconstitutional." Would you care to clarify and expand on that, specifically regarding just to what extent religious organizations should be able to dictate federal legislation and policy?, And, more specifically, WHICH religious sects"

"Assemblywoman, you have stated that the BP oil disaster shows that even FURTHER deregulation of the oil industry is warranted, in order to spur more "domestic production." Would you care to share with us your understanding of the terms 'multinational corporations' and 'fungible commodity' as they apply to crude oil?"

"Assemblywoman, you say we should be doing nuclear waste reprocessing at Yucca Mt. and using that output to "fire nuclear plants at Yucca Mt." (your exact statement on your original website):

Are you aware that it's not licensed for that? It's legislated and NRC licensed-app'd for a waste repository, period. You'd have to amend the NWPA and submit new Environmental Impact Statements and NRC license apps?

Do you have any idea of the amount of water needed for nuclear power generation? There's a REASON they don't build them in arid places. Moreover, DOE has estimated that, to reprocess all of our civilian nuke waste, we would need two reprocessing plants at a construction outlay of $40 billion dollars or more (and they'd have to be located near ample nearby water sources), and that their operation would add about 10% to the average electric utility bill (or higher taxes).

Would you clarify?"

"Assemblywoman, your original website stated that
'The practice of legislators voting for unconstitutional laws has fostered cynical voter apathy and has underscored the corruption that is pervasive throughout America's government.'

Assemblywoman, what would you say to those who observe that laws passed by Congress (members all lawfully elected, btw) and signed by the President are presumptively 'lawful' and 'constitutional' unless subsequently struck down by SCOTUS? That THAT is what is known as constitutional lawful due process?"

Would you care to clarify your understanding?"

"Assemblywoman, you are on record characterizing climate change as
'an unscientific hysteria over the man-caused global warming hoax.' (your exact position on your original website). What, precisely, makes you dispositively qualified to summarily decide what is 'scientific' and what is not? What gives your opinion on the topic more weight than those of the many thousands of distinguished, apolitical scientists who actually work in the field, whose aggregate works contradict your view?"

"Would you please enlighten us?"

"Assemblywoman, you are on record as unequivocally stating that the
'[T]he Department of Education is unconstitutional and should not be involved in education, at any level.'

"OK, given that the Department of Education was first established in 1867 as an office within the Interior Department, wherein it resided until 1972, after which it was then re-established in 1980 by Congress as a standalone federal entity -- AND, during all of this time was NEVER challenged before the Supreme Court as 'unconstitutional,' what, exactly is your basis for your claim? You are, after all, a distinguished Constitutional scholar, right?"

"Again, would you please enlighten us?"

As reported on August 9th:

"GOP Senate nominee Sharron Angle, during a media availability earlier Monday, argued 'certainly someone who has not come here under the rule of law is not under our jurisdiction,' aligning herself with prominent Republicans who have agitated for Capitol Hill action on what she and others call 'the anchor baby issue.'

'I think Congress needs to become involved,' Angle said at her campaign headquarters during a 15-minute Q and A with a handful of journalists."

"OK, Assemblywoman, [1] are you saying that someone in this country illegally who commits a crime (in addition to simply being here, e.g., say, robbery) is "not under our jurisdiction," and, consequently cannot be prosecuted for the crime? Or, that [2] an infant born here to illegals is "not under our jurisdiction."

Also, you say that
"Congress needs to become involved."

But aren't they the ones who write all these "unconstitutional" laws? Precisely HOW would they become involved? Other than proffering a new Amendment repealing the 14th Amendment.

Good luck with that one. Yeah, that'll happen REALLY soon and be ratified straight away.

Also, btw, check with your supporter Sheriff Joe Arpaio about Arizona's inability to prosecute illegals who commit crimes in his state. It's an easily verified empirical matter as to how many illegals are in jail in Arizona in the wake of criminal convictions. Just Google "illegals in Arizona jails." Bring a Snickers, you're gonna be a while.

So much for "no jurisdiction."

"Assemblywoman, you told a gathering in Mesquite, Nevada in late September that 'Dearborn, Michigan, and Frankford, Texas are on American soil, and under Constitutional law. Not Sharia law. And I don't know how that happened in the United States. It seems to me there is something fundamentally wrong with allowing a foreign system of law to even take hold in any municipality or government situation in our United States.'

"Are you claiming that these cities have incorporated Sharia Law into their legal codes? Would you clarify that confusing statement, please, and give us examples of the exact statutes?"

OCT 13TH UPDATE (as reported in the LV Sun):

...On what evidence she had to assert that Islamic religious law, or “sharia,” had taken hold of Dearborn, Mich., and Frankford, Texas:

"All I had was just some articles that I read, there were some things that were happening, that indicated that there might be some things like that going on," Angle said.

Well, shit, what other standards of proof does one need in their senator?

"Assemblywoman, your original website states the following: 'Sharron Angle’s overall political philosophy is that proper government exists only by the consent of the governed and government must be restrained from intruding into the freedoms of its citizens.'

"Except, it would seem from your subsequent public statements, where the intrusion
by the state involves forcing a raped and impregnated minor female to bear the progeny of the crime. Can you explain this apparent contradiction?"

"Assemblywoman, your original website states the following: 'The rule of law is America’s foundation. The oath of office, to protect and defend the constitution, is a sacred trust. Sharron Angle honors both the law and the oath.'

"But, if an election outcome is not to your liking, then armed violence against lawfully constituted authority is OK? Would you care to explain the cognitive dissonance here?"

"Assemblywoman, your original website states the following: 'Sharron Angle honors both the law and the oath and will reject back door deals and closed secret meetings.'

OK, very noble. But, you are now heard on tape (November 3rd) offering to use your "juice" with key DC Republicans on behalf of NV Tea Party candidate Scott Ashjian if he'll agree to stand aside and get out of your way, e.g., that your movement 'gives me juice. That’s really all I can offer to you (Ashjian) is whatever juice I have, you have as well…You want to see DeMint, I have juice with him….I go to Washington, DC and want to see Jim DeMint, he’s right there for me. I want to see Tom Coburn, he’s right there for me. I want to see Mitch McConnell, he’s there.'

Would you care to clarify this apparent inconsistency for us, Assemblywoman?

More to come...

October 19th update
' response to a student's question asking the GOP Senate candidate why her television ads appear to portray all illegal immigrants as Latino. "I think that you're misinterpreting those commercials. I'm not sure that those are Latinos in that commercial. What it is, is a fence and there are people coming across that fence. What we know is that our northern border is where the terrorists came through," said Angle in response...'

Silly me, I'd forgotten all about that border fence with Canada. And, these dudes could not be more obviously "Asians" sneaking through it at night.


My analytic post-mortem? Six words: Scary Mexicans Disguised as Asian Terrorists. The final six nails in the gaffe-lined coffin, IMO.

2012 update

The Turd That Just Won't Flush.


  1. Bobby said:
    "More broadly, would you simply agree that what counts as 'unconstitutional' to you is ANY law or SCOTUS decision with which you disagree, Constitutional Law Authority that you undeniably are?"

    "Just Google "illegals in Arizona jails." Bring a Snickers, you're gonna be a while."

    "What gives your opinion on the topic more weight than those of the many thousands of distinguished, apolitical scientists who actually work in the field, whose aggregate works contradict your view?"

    "Does it surprise you to learn that President Obama would agree with [you] that, and that such goals are central to what you and others derisively call 'Obamacare'"?

    And regarding her opinion and plan for Social Security, "Would you care to explain to the public from just WHERE you intend to get the other 96%?"

    Brilliant. Utterly, totally and completely brilliant.

  2. Thanks. I really appreciate the comment. No one's payin' me to bird-dog this stuff.

  3. Ms. Angle cites the founding fathers for the inspiration of her "Second Amendment Remedies" quote. The obvious flaw in her logic is that the founding fathers removed an unelected monarchy, not elected officials. If you shoot and kill officials that you don't like because your side lost in an election, then you are actually installing tyranny not removing it.

  4. If there is a choice between Reid and Angle, Angle is the obvious choice. Not sure why you are so interested in beating her up. The breathe of fresh air is her words are not Scripted such as Obama...So she has a bit of trouble getting her thoughts togther. That to me makes her more appealing. You obviously are voting for Reid the traitor. Sad...

  5. Yo, Anonymous. If it's not clear to you, then I can't help you any further. Moreover, your loose, excessive use of the epithet "traitor" says all anyone needs to know about you.

    And, I am one of those who wishes there were other viable choices. But, there are none, so I have to play the hand that is dealt. And, she is the Joker.

  6. It's more appealing that she can't put together coherent thoughts? When did ignorance and stupidity become a virtue to celebrate and to elect to an office? I, for one, am tired of people thinking that it's a good idea to put people "that are more like me" into office. Yeah, that's a great plan. Lets put people that don't understand how our government works, or the historical basis for our country's existence, or the significance of the common good into office. Let's give them that power...cause it feels so good to see someone like "me" in a position of power. Who gives a crap if they have the intelligence or the experience and know-how to do the job. I just love thinking, "hey, that could be me in office"... When did this become a game, folks? Really, when did people decide that you don't need more than some cheap words and ideas to be qualified for an office? I don't get it. And if it keeps going, these people are going to really get to experience trouble with our country like we've never seen. These wacky people have nothing more than the ability to really mess things up, and not enough brains or understanding to fix them once they've put the balls in motion. And THAT folks, is why these people are so damn scary.

  7. Thanks, Holly. Great observations.

  8. Holly, back in 1970, Senator Roman Hruska of Nebraska defended the (unsuccessful) nomination of Harold Carswell to the Supreme Court. Critics claimed that Carswell had had a mediocre record on the bench. Hruska countered "So? there are a lot of mediocre people in this country. Don't they deserve a little representation too? We can't all be Brandeises."

    That is the essence of some of this bleating support for Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell. In the latter case, O'Donnell's supporter tout her messed-up life history as a VIRTUE! That it shows that she's just a "normal American, struggling with all the problems."

  9. The comment that an armed uprising against elected officials would institute tyranny was interesting in that it ignores history. Adolf Hitler came to power by constitutional means and we know what the outcome of that was. The simple fact is that the Constitution grants only 17 powers to the federal government and they have exceeded their authority. See Article I Section 8. Tyrants can be elected. I give you Hugo Chavez of Venezuela.

  10. As assembly woman, she refused to visit Corbett Elementary. This school was in her district, Guinn praised in his state of the state speech as the best title school in the state and Sharron even went there as a child!
    When they celebrated their success, Sharron was invited to attend, but refused.
    Because Sharron fought for a bill that would mandate old fashion decodable phonics books for all schools. Corbett didn't use them as was proof that Sharron was wrong. Rather than accept that, she chose to ignore them.
    Her other "educational" bill was to get the state to buy "Action Phonics" for the prisons. Her friend, Susan Brock would get the contract. Didn't pass, partially because the Action Phonics people were successfully sued by the FTC for false advertising.
    I have testified against her back when she was assembly woman and she sounds as poised as a high school student trying to wing it in front of class.

  11. @Jerry -

    Ah, the tried and true (and lame) tangential Hitler allusion. Right, Obama is the new Hitler and his administration is the new Nazi party.

    No sale. Get serious.

    Moreover, the scope of the legitimate powers granted the federal government is not properly subordinate to dilettante constitutional Lutheranism. I am comfortable that SCOTUS will continue to vet and clarify the proper responsibilities and limits (recognizing that it's a job never completed).

  12. Actually Jerry, the Constitution grants quite a sweeping mandate: what part of "promote the general welfare" do you not understand? Or the interstate commerce clause?

    Prior to the Constitution, we had a very narrow document that limited the role of the government, the Articles of Confederacy. They didn't work.
    So the Constitution was crafted, and the 10th amendment written to allow states to control what went on *solely* within those states, and which did not affect other states. Note that last part: which did not affect other states.
    That means the federal government can get in to things like, say energy research, or food inspection, or health insurance, because these things affect the general welfare, and/or interstate commerce. Thats why unemployment insurance and social security and the Department of Education are constitutional.

  13. It is amusing to hear people like you clamor about a Canadian border fence. If you did any research at all, you would know that most people do not use that border to come into this country even if they are "Asian". If fences didn't work, Israel would have been obliterated years ago. To be fair, we SHOULD have a fence along both borders but the majority of illegals don't come in through Canada, period.

    All of this to support Reid?!?!? The "Dolt" of the Senate? HAHAHA... You put him and Patty Murray together and you might have half a brain cell between them. Good Riddance!

  14. Yo "Anonymous" October 26, 2010 7:25 PM -

    Thanks for so effortlessly missing the point. Which -- shall I say it S-L-O-W-L-Y for you -- was simply about Sharron Angle's pathetic attempt to walk away from her clearly race-baiting Scary Mexicans Coming To Get You ad. Whether Canada has a fence or not is irrelevant to the ISSUE here.

    Nice try. You people are too easy.

  15. What we need to do is rise up and take this country back from those who would propose to steal if from us, whether they be Democrats or Republicans. What we need to do is get the fictitious monkey they have crated off of our backs. We keep our hard earned pay. We decide what to do with the fruits of our labor. We either choose to keep our earnings for ourselves and our families or to give willingly any excess we deem fit to causes we choose by will, not force! We take care of ourselves. We are adults after all. Not 5 year old children who need a mommy and daddy in DC! WE ARE FREE! Sadly, everyone seems to have forgotten that. Not I. I am a FREE MAN! Benjamin Franklin said, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." If none of us will stand together the Republic has already fallen. If none of us will uphold our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness without being robbed then once again... the Republic has already fallen and we thus deserve neither liberty nor safety. That's how I see it.

    Rolland B. Heiss

    Only a coward is anonymous....

  16. Rolland, thank you for your comment.

    Please notice that I only have "comment moderation" to keep spammers out. Beyond that, I don't censor anyone's input, even "anonymous" diatribes.

  17. All I can say about you is that you are one of the worst products of this country!

    A sixties hippie with a silver spoon up your ass and now you want to destroy this country and make my generation suffer!

    It's not going to happen, we can just wait for your generation to eventually dissipate and then we can try to rebuild this country again!

    Go Ms Angle, we know you are going to win!

  18. @ Anonymous October 27, 2010 12:38 PM

    You stupid comment say all anyone needs to know about people like you. Real classy remark.

  19. @ Anonymous October 27, 2010 12:38 PM also -

    'you want to destroy this country and make my generation suffer!"

    By simply asking detailed policy questions of the Tea Bag candidate? That helps destroy the country exactly how?

  20. Rolland B. Heiss

    You must be Native American. You're right you should rise up and take back your country. Oh, you might be talking about keeping this country in the hands that "stole it" from the Native Americans.

    Ok, Ok, I do agree with your quote from B. Franklin, the only problem is we are willing to give up some liberty to obtain a little security from those "Mexican."

    And since for the most part I'm agreeing with you my name is not that important. But if it helps you, its' Barbara

    But really, I do agree with you regarding working hard and being able to spend your money on or what I wish. I think DC should stay out of our private lives, but we do need our government on the Federal level. Therefore, I do feel that we should be free to make decisions that brings wealth to our home and sole. So while we take pride in our Republic don't get upset when you hear about a child dying because medical benefits were cut. Remember they are in it for the wealth as well, not for the love of anyone and that includes our children.

    And I hate to tell you there is NO "US" in Republic aka capitalism. It's all about what the individual has... I was once told in a social studies class, "our Republic aka capitalism is individuals standing alone with one purpose only and that's to gain private wealth without interference." A free market is good, but remember you stand alone in your persuit of everthing. Keep captialism alive. Peace out.

  21. I live in Frau Angle's old assembly district and can say that her political career is based on luck, vicious attacks on nominal opposition and representing a solidly Republican district. Her first assembly primary race included two "mainstream" Republicans, who split the vote, and so allowed Angle to win. Once she won the primary, the general election was a cakewalk. When her district was combined with another, after the 2000 census and subsequent redistricting, she beat the incumbent through hateful attacks and energizing her christo-fascist base. She used distortions and lies against nominal opposition in her subsequent re-election campaigns and won easily. She came within 400 or 500 votes of winning the 2006 Republican primary for the 2nd district congressional seat, since Dean Heller and Dawn Gibbons split the "sane" Republican vote. In 2008, she challenged Bill Raggio in the Republican primary for state senate and lost.

    This woman was not qualified to serve in the state assembly and is certainly not qualified to be a U.S. Senator. Her support seems to be the religious-right-gun-nut base plus the anti-Reid element. Another support group are the California retirees who flocked here during the real estate bubble, have no connection to Nevada and spend their time watching Fox News, which has vilified Reid for years.

    For older Nevadans, this Senate race is reminiscent of the 1982 race between incumbent Howard Cannon (D) and Chic Hecht (R). Hecht won and was an embarrassment to Nevada for one term, until defeated for re-election by Richard Bryan (by only a few thousand votes). I hope history doesn't repeat itself in 2010.

  22. I suppose anyone can spew shit,and not be held accountable,so keep spewing shit,that's what I stood up for your right to do.